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The Big Question...grinders

Discussion in 'Grinders' started by Aaron, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. Aaron

    Aaron New Member

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    Hello, I'm new here on the forum but have been learning lots from you guys for the last year or so.

    I would love to hear your thoughts and see some pics of your grinder set ups. I've decided to finally invest in a 2x72 (been using a 1x30). I'm trying to decide between a KMG and a BEE with the following set up: 2hp variable speed with 10in contact wheel and flat platen, small wheel attachment and assortment of small wheels. These are definitely pricey set-ups but I only plan on buying one of these so prefer to get the best I can (buy once, cry once). I've looked into the build your own and other type models but I'm specifically looking for an all in one ready to plug in package
    so my main questions are:
    -who here has a BEE grinder/KMG and what are your thoughts? (I can't find much online in terms of reviews, videos, etc for the BEE).
    -Does anyone have experience with the TDM adjdustable workrest for the BEE? (I'll be replacing the workrest for a larger more adjustable one on whichever grinder I end up choosing).

    Thanks in advance for any words of wisdom you can provide.
    Also, I'll be posting some pictures of my knives once I figure out how to post pics :)
     
  2. dancom

    dancom Dust Maker Best Shop Tool

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    Hi Aaron,

    I don't have a KMG or a BEE, rather I have a home-built 2x72" so I cannot comment so much. However, I can say that your sizing and attachments are great choices. I have a 2HP + VFD, 10" contact + flat platen + small wheel attachment and there isn't much it won't do. Okay, it won't clean itself, but that's asking for a lot.;)

    Would you consider putting some of it together yourself?

    As for pics, upload them to your favourite image hosting web site, e.g. PhotoBucket, Flikr, ImageShack etc., then copy the share link and paste it here in the editor. (Image URL - see the little picture button). They should appear in your post.

    Good luck with your new machine! Whichever way you go...let us know!

    Dan
     
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  3. Brad

    Brad Active Member

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    Another guy here with a homemade 2x72. Terry (the guy who came up with the wilmot grinder) is selling grinders through Rob a Canadian knifemaking supplies.
     
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  4. Aaron

    Aaron New Member

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    Hi Dan, thanks for the input...shame it doesn't clean itself...or my shop :) I just have standard electricity in my shop so I just realized that I may only get 1.5hp out of the 2hp motor (from what I can tell based on some reviews and my very limited knowledge of the electrical realm). Do you think a 1hp motor is suitable with that same set-up?
     
  5. Aaron

    Aaron New Member

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    Thanks Brad! I looked into those and they look pretty good. I just wish they also sold the additional contact wheels and small wheel attachments and wheels. Trying to get the full package at one go...don't have much time for knifemaking so I'd rather same the time and effort and put it towards making sparks :)
     
  6. dancom

    dancom Dust Maker Best Shop Tool

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    Aaron,

    IMHO 1HP is probably as low as you want to go.
    Most shops/garages/basements will already have 240 Volts, even though you don't have a proper 240 Volt receptacle installed.
    You only have to find two different receptacles that are fed from different hots (feeds) from the main panel. Sounds a bit confusing at first, but not that hard to implement.
    http://dcknives.blogspot.ca/p/the-dirt-on-drives.html will sort of give you some ideas.

    PM me if you have questions. I do this all day at work and get bored pretty easily there. :)

    Dan
     
  7. Icho-

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    With my set up I have a 1hp 220v 3phase motor with a vfd. I am totally happy with it and with a lot of pressure on it while grinding the belt flies off but does not stall. My grinder plugs into a standard 110v receptical.
     
  8. Rob W

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    Aaron ,
    I have a KMG, a BEE and a Coote 2 wheel...........
    the KMG is the hogger in the shop but the BEE is a better overall unit in my opinion , variable speed with a 10'' and 8" wheel as well as the small wheel attachment for it......great unit but pricey
    My next addition will be one of Terrys new horizontals which is in the works......Terry has the adjustable tool rest for the BEE but he is currently in the midst of a move so may not be available for a while...
    Until I have a TDM Grinder I cant say which is best but for now easily the BEE

    Rob
     
  9. dancom

    dancom Dust Maker Best Shop Tool

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    I believe this to be the best (electrically speaking) setup for anyone who has only 120 V in the shop. One HP is certainly adequate.

    With the KMG, for them to re-rate the drive from 2 HP to 1.5 HP at the lower voltage is not bad. Nothing wrong with 1.5 HP! But you're still paying for a 2 HP motor and drive.

    Terry's grinders will need something like Iliya bought, VFD and motor, to make it variable.

    Pheer is making some reasonable machines using the same KBAC VFDs as Beaumont. Last I heard, Pheer was shipping to Canada and I see Beaumont has smartened up too. :)

    What the heck ever happened to the Klappmesser? Great looking KMG clone, but pickup only (???)..http://www.canadianknifemaker.ca/index.php?threads/making-chips.951/

    Dan
     
  10. Brad

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    I put a VFD on my grinder, well worth the money. Anybody considering buying a grinder should go variable speed. I have never heard anyone complain about having variable speed
     
  11. Aaron

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    Wow, your website is a treasure trove of valuable info. Thanks!! Good to know it's not too difficult to get a 240 receptacle if needed
     
  12. Aaron

    Aaron New Member

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    Thanks Icho! I think I may be going this route after all so good to hear you're happy with it.
     
  13. Aaron

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    I have a feeling it would be quite nice to spend some time in your shop:) Good to know you give high marks to the BEE--definitely a little pricey but with the CDN dollar what it is now, there's not too much difference between the kmg now...plus I don't mind supporting a Canadian company. Thanks for the heads up about Terry being temporarily unavailable too.
     
  14. Aaron

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    Definitely going to go with variable speed :)
     
  15. Aaron

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    ...and sorry everybody for the crazy posting. Just realized you can reply to multiple people in one post. Total Noob :rolleyes:
     
  16. Kevin Cox

    Kevin Cox KC knives

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    I own one bee and 4 TDM for me Terry's grinders are the best. There light years ahead of the bee for knife making.
    This is just my opinion but I wouldn't trade any of my TDM for something else. The one to look at is what he call his super grinder.
     

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