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Questions about the pommel on the stick tang

Discussion in 'Design' started by dancom, Mar 31, 2015.

  1. dancom

    dancom Dust Maker

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    I am making my first stick tang and have a question. The tang has a threaded tail end of stainless steel. I want to put a stainless pommel on it.

    Do I use a stainless steel nut? What do I do with the nut? Is it ground off after glue up? Is the nut recessed into a hole in the pommel and capped? Or is the pommel drilled and tapped with a bottoming tap in a blind hole kind of way?

    Would you believe I have looked at dozens photos here and was never able to see this and how it's finished.

    Thanks!

    Dan
     
  2. Icho-

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    Like everything else there is many ways to do it. I just happened to be working on a dagger with a hidden tang and a pommel. The picture below is my favorite way of doing a hidden tang. I like having the threaded rod not only hooked into the tang but also silver brazed. If you were going with a thin pommel you could silver braze (not silver solder) a nut to it. If I don't want to have a pommel I use a piece of 3/8 SS rod and tap one end of it. I leave it long and cut a slot in it so I can use a standard screw driver to screw it on tight. I have also kept the rod short and made a plug using a scrap piece of the handle material so that there is no nut visible on the end. See bottom pic. Hope this helps.



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    Note: bottom pic has the ugliest sheath I have ever seen and was scrapped.
     
  3. dancom

    dancom Dust Maker

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    Thanks Ilya. I had never thought about being able to disassemble it like your dagger. Very cool.

    Again, not sure how to go about this. I have welded the stainless steel machine screw on to a slot cut in the tail end of the tang. I was thinking about drilling a tapping the pommel. Threading it on to hold things tight while the epoxy sets. Then grind the excess screw flush to the pommel. It would leave a little circle where the screw shows. The other thought was to drill and tap a blind hole in the pommel. I'd prefer the fastener to be out of sight.
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    Dan
     
  4. Icho-

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    Looks like you are on the right track. On my dagger the pummel has a blind tapped hole. For final assembly I will fill it all with epoxy, tighten the pommel clean excess epoxy and if I don't make a mess the dagger will be done. I do still have a bit of finishing before I get to that point.
     
  5. Brad

    Brad Active Member

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    I do the same thing as Icho, I also make my own finial nuts (fancy cap nut). Like in my picture

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    My only word of caution is welding hardenable steel is it can (not always) cause grain growth and a very brittle joint.

    As a side note great looking knives Icho
     
  6. dancom

    dancom Dust Maker

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    Would it help to temper it again after welding?

    Dan
     
  7. Brad

    Brad Active Member

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    It certainly would not hurt, I would take it through a normalizing cycle or two. If your knife is heat treated just rig up a way to hold the blade under water and use a torch. My only experience was with welding high carbon, I never have tried stainless. If I were to try and weld high carbon again I would preheat my work piece to a dull red before.

    I hate to say anything but if I did not I would feel worse if I saw a thread on "what happened to my knife"
     

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