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Please Critique My Prototype

Discussion in 'Fixed Blades' started by bobbybirds, Apr 3, 2016.

  1. bobbybirds

    bobbybirds Best New Maker

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    Hey all,

    A friend of mine owns a tattoo studio in Edmonton and asked me if I would be willing to make three identical knives for him and his two other tattoo artists as a sort of shop members only knife. He wants a sort of mini tanto "esque" style, which quite frankly is something outside my normal personal style interests, but I am always up for expanding on my knowledge and experience! That said, I made an initial prototype and I immediately know I am not satisfied with it and have some ideas what to change, but I really would love some serious critiquing before I try version 2.

    Just a heads up that thjs knife is not finished properly and I know those details are not stellar but I am not concerned about that on this one as much as overall style. The overall length is 5 inches and is made of 3/32 1095. He wanted something with a bit of an acid etched finished but it a fresh ground bevel. I am not happy with the single pin and will most likely go with 2 pins. I also am not happy with the but end on the handle. I was thinking maybe notching a cutout in the scales there and exposing the tang with a lanyard hole. On the front of the handle, I am not certain what I think about the angle cutout of the scales. If I keep it like that I might want to file in a few thumb grip lines to make it look a bit more refined. Also, being somewhat of an angular blade style, should I keep the shape of the scales relatively angular or maybe soften them a bit?

    Any thoughts and considerations will be greatly appreciated! Please do not worry obout offending me here. I am truly looking for ideas and inspiration and this is far outside my design experience...

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  2. Icho-

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    That is some cool wood both on the handle and the background.

    The blade shape reminds me more of a kiri kiridashi than a tanto. The end edge of a tanto is usually angled the other way. I guess the best way to explain it is with a picture.

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    I would definitely go with a minimum of two pins for the scales. The shape is more of a personal preference and would probably be best left to your friend. Since he is a tattoo artist you can maybe even have him draw something up. I wish I had the skills of drawing that a tattoo artist has.
     
  3. bobbybirds

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    Haha! Yeah I realized that about the shape. It is why I called it Tanto-esque. Just trying to give a feel but not a genuine attempt.

    As for the shape, he wants me to create something. I think it is payback because I always make him tattoo me with zero input on the drawing and make him blindly come up with something he wants to tattoo but surprises me at the time of the session! We have been friends for over 20 years so he knows my likes well enough I have never been disappointed, and that says something considering I have multiple (like we'll over a dozen) pieces by him... lol!
     
  4. Icho-

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    Ah. I get it. I just keep drawing until I come up with something that I like and makes sense. Even then when I start cutting steel I make adjustments.
     
  5. bobbybirds

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    Two possible revisions... One more subtle and the other a complete revamp...

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  6. Icho-

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    If you are going tanto, I would say the top one.
     
  7. John Noon

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    Top one with a "U" groove for the Thumb?

    Something I just had pop into the old brain is using brass flat bar and notch the back of the knife where the handle is. Do a bit of egg crate thing with the parts interlocking at 90 degrees.

    Never seen it done before, maybe at 45 for a sort of honeycomb effect?
     
  8. bobbybirds

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  9. Icho-

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    Lookin good. If you have any scrap laminate flooring or even plywood you can cut out the profile to see how it feels in your hand.
     
  10. dancom

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    Bob,

    IMHO I would have a minimum of two pins holding the scales down. I would also bring the grind up higher and lower the primary angle to make it more useful as a slicer.
    Although we don't exactly know what the end user is going to use the knife for, we can assume it's like a pocket knife from the convenience side.

    If you give it a tiny swoop in the spine over the blade it could become a little like Grayzer86's talon. :)

    Just suggestions. You're awesome!

    Dan
     
  11. John Noon

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    this just popped up on facebook
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  12. Paul Mason

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    Do you want me to be completely honest Bob? If so, i would say, try again son. You can do much better than that.
    If it outside your comfort zone then leave it there, or you will regret it!
    Make knives that you want to make, not to please other people. Its nice to make people smile, but i am sure your friend would be happier with a knife he knows you have put 100% in to.

    Cheers

    Paul
     
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  13. bobbybirds

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    I only want your 100% honesty every single time Paul, and never anything else! I am someone who needs to be torn down to rebuild and I don't believe anyone gets better when they can't admit to doing something poorly. You only improve by acknowledging what is wrong and making the changes necessary...

    In short, nobody ever needs to spare my feelings. I am a big boy and can stand good constructive criticism! I crave it in fact...
     
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  14. Paul Mason

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    That`s good to hear Bob!
    Concentrate on the knives YOU want to make, and your reputation will follow you.
    I have been asked to make all manner of silly things in the past, flick knives, gravity knives, scandi grinds, knuckle dusters you name it, but i said no, even though i could have made money from it.
    Now i have a years waiting list, doing what i love.

    Make your friend something that you want to do, if you get stuck, i will do my best to help.

    Cheers

    Paul
     
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  15. John Noon

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    I agree with Paul right now I am dealing with agreeing to make a knife for a friend, heart is just not in the shape and style so it is rough going.

    Taking a break and making a bunch of blanks for future use and slowly figuring out how I want to get the knife finished.

    I do know it is not going to be full on traditional Sgain Dubh and other than stalling after shaping the blade not much else has been done with the project.
     
  16. PeterP

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    Cheers! :beer:
    I second that....or third..
     
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