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My first batch.

Discussion in 'How I Made It: Tutorials' started by Icho-, Feb 22, 2013.

  1. Icho-

    Icho- Staff Member

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    So I have been working on my KITH knive and I figured it would feel lonely going to Heat treat all by it self so I decided to Give it some company. They are all O-1. Heres what I got so far.

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    #1 going from top to bottom is a head knife. Don't mind the bevel. It's so rough it's ugly. It is 0.0625 O-1. The blade is 2.95 wide with a handle just over 4". I figured that if I will be working with
    leather why not make a Knife for it.

    #2 Donno about that one. The plan was a paring knife and i guess it still may turn out to be one. I think I may skinny up the handle. It is aslo 0.0625 O-1. The blade is aprox 2.9" and the handle is 3.4".

    #3 This one is the strip left after I cut what I needed for my Scandi KITH. Donno about this one either. Many another paring knife LOL. This blade is 0.125" O-1 by 3.1 long. Handle is 3.75" long.

    And #4 I loved the feel of the knife I showed in my other thread where I just put a handle on it that I wanted one that I can really say I made. I changed it up slightly. This blade is also 0.125"
    O-1. Length of blade is around 4" and the handle is about 4.2 long.

    I didn't include my Scandi because it has it's own place.

    I still have some profiling to do but I am hoping to have these and my KITH out for ht by mid next week. Let me know what you all think and please feel free to criticise good or bad.
    Thanks for looking!
     
  2. stevebates

    stevebates Active Member

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    Looks great Icho, you've sure been busy I really like the bottom two they look like they would very comfortable hang on to. :D
     
  3. Icho-

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    Thanks Steve. Ya. trying to make cost of heat treat worth it. There isn't much of a price diff wether I ht 1 ot 5 blades as long as they are the same material.

    As of right now the bottom one is my favorite.
     
  4. Mythtaken

    Mythtaken Staff Member CKM Staff

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    The bottom one is great. I like your leather cutter too -- may have to make one myself if I get into these fixed blades.
     
  5. Icho-

    Icho- Staff Member

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    Thanks Myth. It is a great reason for another knife.
     
  6. Icho-

    Icho- Staff Member

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    I've been workin trying to get things done. All 4 blades pluss my kith should be ready for ht Monday. Some more hand work and a bit more shaping to do. Here's where i'm at as of tonight.

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    I I purposely showed the "oops" on the last blade. I'm hoping to be able to take it out with a surface grinder. The blase will be thinner than hoped for but still salvageable. My excuse is that I was using a 1 x 30 grinder and I was trying to cheat... I was dumb! Oh well. Its a part of the learning process.

    Please feel free to criticize. I want to hear what you guys have to say.
     
  7. metal99

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    They are looking good man! :) one thing to consider is taking the grind up a bit higher on the drop point. It will perform much better with a finer edge. That's just my 2cents.
     
  8. Icho-

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    Thanks Jules. I totally agree with going higher. I'm glad you said it cause I wrongfully convinced myself that it "should" be high enough. Lol. I will hopefully hog it out a bit more tonight. I may try it with my die grinder since I will likely screw it up with my 1 x 30 belt grinder.
     
  9. Bowman

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    Nice work so far. Some interesting designs, I'm looking forward to see your progress. I never thought about making a head knife. I have a tough time with paying Tandy what they want for them. Why not draw file that grind a bit higher? It shouldn't take too long with most of the stock already removed.
     
  10. Icho-

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    Thanks Bowman. I figured a head knife was a good practice blade and even if it did turn out crappy I can still sharpen and use it.
    I ended up taking some matal off with the die grinder but still went back to the good old file. Still have some work to do so I guess the blades are not going out for ht tomorrow but I think I can be ready the day after.
     
  11. Rob W

    Rob W Active Member

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    lookin good Icho , are you doing the heat treat ?
    I like how you changed the handle shape in knife #2 ........keep us posted with pics , two two thumbs up !!
     
  12. Icho-

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    Thanks Rob. No I'm not doing my own ht. I definitely want to in the future but there's still too much equipment I need before I can think about doing my own ht. There is a custom ht company across the street from my work.
    I had to change the shape of the second handle. I didn't like it at all. Glad you thought so too.
     
  13. Icho-

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    So I dropped off my ht this morning at break time. A total of 5 blades. The boss there was saying that they actually do lotd of knife blades. I asked him if there are any concerns as far as thicknesses corners and edges just so I know for future reference for myself. He said not a problem. I can't wait to see these knives really start taking shape.

    One question. I read on another forum that you don't want an industrial heat treater to do your blades. Anyone know the reason why?
     
  14. stevebates

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    Possibly with quench times and temper as some stainless is said that you should do the 1st temper right after the blade has cooled...ect. For carbon steels I don't believe there is much of an issue if any. Thoughts?
     
  15. Mythtaken

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    Maybe I'm just cynical today, but I can think of a couple of reasons. First, someone may have had a bad experience and decided that ALL industrial heat treating was bad. Secondly, it could be nothing more than a perception of "artistic integrity". If you don't heat treat yourself, it should be done by a knifemaker, rather than some general industrial heat treater. Personally, I think if the price is right and the result is what you want, go for it.
     
  16. Icho-

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    All good points to consider guys. I don't know enough about metallurgy to really add much but here are my thoughts. As an example, my local ht company does the ht for all of the local shops from mold making, die making aerospace and medical. They cannot afford not to use the best and most advanced equipment, materials and practices available no matter what type of metal is being heat treated. If someone brings in a material they are not familliar with i'm sure they would let it be known and in knife making we do not use any real exotic metals that I know of. They ht hundreds maby thousands of pounds of different metals a day. One mistake can cost them thousands of dollars to replace. I would think that a blade heat treated by them would be at least the same quality as anyone else. Definately better than I can do.

    If I end up finding the thread that sparked my interest and if it is not too old I will ask and hopefully I don't get attacked.Lol. Thanks for the input and if anyone has anything else to add please do so.
     
  17. Icho-

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    Well I picked up these blades at the same time as my kith blade but I haven't touched them because the scandi was priority. Here they are all ready for me to get to work.

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    I decided to start with the third one because I didn't like the angle so it was calling for me. I was a bit nervous about screwing it up on my 1 x 30 but there was no way I was going to stone it down to the way I wanted it. I said in another thread about screwing the grinder to the wall which I really was going to do but then I noticed I could just lay it on its back and it was pretty sturdy. It worked so much better. Here is what the bevel looks like now.

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    What a difference comfort makes. Now I'm going for a full flat grind. This is with 120 grit belt. The tip of the blade was not over heated. It is just the lighting off of the grind.
     
  18. stevebates

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    Nice Icho looks like you got some work to do :cool: I just placed an order for 160" of 2x3/32 154CM to make about 30 fillet knives for a Bass tourney in Ontario this August so I will be just as busy as you...lol!! I'm curious to see how that will pan out :noidea: I can't wait to see what you do with this batch of blades, looks sweet!!!
     
  19. Icho-

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    Thanks Steve. Wow that's quite a bit of steel and a lot more work. I guess you won't be trying to think of something to do. Are you fishing the tourney?
     
  20. stevebates

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    No not this time Icho it's in my home town and one of the biggest Bass tourney's in Ontario so this year I'm going to opt out and set up a table and raffle one or two knives off each day for 3 days and have the rest fo sale. Should be fun times though..
     

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