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Discussion in 'Canadian Suppliers' started by poppa bear, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. poppa bear

    poppa bear Member

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    I was wondering other then metal supermarket if anyone knew of a cheap metal supplier out there. I just got a quote from them for a 12 inch x 36 inch sheet of stainless and it was quite expensive IMHO.
     
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    Canadian Knifemaker supply.
     
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    Canadian knifemaker supply is where i buy most of my steel. I wasnt aware Metal supermarket sold any usable steels for us besides O1 and some W series in rod form. What type of stainless did you price? I know Rob at CKS can supply sheet in several steels.
     
  4. poppa bear

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    Yup they have stainless, O1, w series, brass, bronze, bunch of others but mainly mild steels. But the sheet I asked for was 3'x4' and was almost $400. Little expensive IMHO.
     
  5. Grayzer86

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    I can see a 3x4 of knife steels running that high. It's a pile of steel. What breed of steel were you pricing? Might give me a better idea as to how the price stacks up to other suppliers per square inch. That plate is 1728 square inches.
     
  6. Grayzer86

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    After some further thinking, at that price, I can't possibly imagine that it would be a usable stainless knife steel. Compared to most knife steels, even carbon, that's dirt cheap. CPM154 typically runs well over $1 per square inch at 1/8 thickness. Last price check I did had 1/8x2 CPM154 over $3 per lineal inch. That would mean if you cut a 5x48 strip off that sheet the rest of the sheet would be free. Even AEB-L which is about the cheapest usable stainless around should cost over double that price. I would check back to confirm steel type as my thinking is that whatever steel it is that they priced won't make a knife.
     
  7. dancom

    dancom Dust Maker Best Shop Tool

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    I'd have to sell the car to buy a 3' x 4' piece of stainless cutlery steel. ;-)
    Probably closer to $1400 that amount of 1/8" CPM154.
    What sheet steel were you asking for?
     
  8. poppa bear

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    I just asked for stainless tool steel. I went to a local scrap yard and ended up getting a plate that big for $10, a welding buddy of mine even verified that it was a plate of stainless tool grade steel. So I dunno must have been someone new whom sold me the plate. It was 1/4" as well. Shrug
     
  9. Grayzer86

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    Without a spectrum analysis it's going to be speculation at best. Unless the steel is stamped with the exact type, there is no way to verify what steel a piece is by visual means. Additionally heat treats for stainless steels vary drastically in temp, duration, cycling, tempering, and cryo treating. Without knowing the exact manufacturer, type, and composition there is no way to get an effective enough heat treat program to make a functional knife. Without sending the plate for testing and analysis, it may be useful for guards and bolsters, but that will be it. Not to call out your buddy, but unless he has a lab worth hundreds of thousands, any guess as to steel type is essentially just a guess. The proper heat treat process is by far the single most important aspect of the whole knife build, and without that, its really not a knife. Not trying to sound harsh, just that I am active on a very large forum where we get this question several times a day. The general consensus especially with stainless is that unless it's known and marked, it's not usable at all. Carbon is more forgiving and with enough work and test samples it's possibly to track down a heat treat that will sort of work, but with stainless, there are just way too many variables for it to be possible.
     
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  10. dancom

    dancom Dust Maker Best Shop Tool

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    I agree with Grayzer. There are very few "stainless" tool steels. D2 comes close in chromium content, but never quite gets accepted as stainless.
    I'd pay $10 for a nice big chunk of 1/4" 304, with full knowledge that it would never be used as tool steel. Certainly good for bolsters or letter openers.

    Dan
     
  11. Grayzer86

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    Absolutely @dancom If i could grab a plate of stainless at that price for fixtures and guards as well as making jigs and stuff for the shop i would gladly snag it as well. Again, I am not trying to be a dick, I just see what i feel is far too much misinformation floating around the web as far as this trade goes. Particularly when it comes to the actual metallurgy aspect of the craft. Youtube is so bombarded by people making videos showing knives made from lawnmower blades, sawzall blades, carbide toothed saw blades, cheap case hardened files, road signs, a cut up carpenters square, pieces of steel from a futon, etc (all ones i have actually personally seen, and none which will make a very good knife). It becomes hard for beginners to wade through the swamp of piss poor misinformation to figure out what is truth and what is fiction. Its a double edged sword, because i don't want to see someone unkowingly wasting their time and energy on something that isn't a usable knife in the end, however, and maybe to a larger extent, i don't want to see a potential customer to the custom knife world soured by a knife that doesn't perform properly due to a misconception of material quality. I had this discussion with a guy once who had bought a handmade knife years ago, and said that it wouldn't hold an edge. Due to this he was skeptical of my hand made knives. What i determined eventually by some left over markings on the steel was that it was made from a bi-metal blade from a power hack saw. When the blade was ground, the hard cutting teeth were removed and the remaining steel wasn't hard enough to maintain a decent edge.
     
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  12. dancom

    dancom Dust Maker Best Shop Tool

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    My name goes on my knives. This is why I always work with known steel and known heat treatment processes. :)
     
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  13. poppa bear

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    Thank you for the input
     
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    Be very cautious of any stainless in a scrap yard even if it has original markings. There have been many cases of full sheets being scrapped because they were mislabeled from the supplier.
    If the scrap yard has an XRF machine and is willing to give you a printout that you can compare to the properties from a reputable supplier ( mill certification ) then you may get lucky and have a useable stainless steel.
    If they use the XRF machine on carbon steel trying to sell you a pice of tool steel, take the results with a grain of salt as it is only a guesstimate.
     
  15. poppa bear

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    Thats what I was afraid you where going to say. The scrap yards I find are fairly sketchy when it comes to that.
     
  16. Hyde_me

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    Poppa Bear your in Alliston right? I have had good luck going to Barrie Welding on sat mornings and they can get you almost anything your looking for. Usually not bad for price.
     
  17. poppa bear

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    Really that's awesome. Could you pm me the address please Hyde_me
     

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