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Found Quench Oil Supplier In Ontario (gta)

Discussion in 'Heat Treating' started by Alexander13, Mar 27, 2019.

  1. Alexander13

    Alexander13 Member

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    Hey Guys, it’s been a long time since I’ve posted anything or made anything knife related. But I’m about to get back to it. I’m over the hill excited to have ordered and expecting delivery of a brand new Vashti Tactical Design 2X72, early next week.

    I’ve also had the forge up and running once or twice lately to unsuccessfully heat treat some knives. Which is a perfect Segway to my title I’ve found a supplier in Pickering, Ontario, that sells a fast Quench oil. Now I haven’t bought some yet but intend to in the next few weeks.

    Below is the info from the company’s tech sheet on the oil.
    I was quoted $112 per 5 gallon pail plus $50 delivery (I’m in Toronto) and taxes. Let me know what you guys think.


    Tuxton TectQuench 5209 Fast Quenching Oil
    Technical Data Sheet
    Tuxton TectQuench 5209 is engineered specifically for the heat treatment of ferrous metals in a wide variety of quenching operations. Tuxton TectQuench 5209 provides fast initial cooling rate and long service life, as well as providing exceptional uniform heat dissipation which allows for desirable metallurgical properties. Tuxton TectQuench 5209 is a highly stable oil that exhibits excellent oxidation resistance and minimum viscosity change.
    Advantages
    • Fast quench speed
    • Controlled cooling of metals
    • Less smoking, reduced fire hazard
    • Excellent thermal stability to minimize sludge formation
    • Minimal oil carryout
    • Deeper, more uniform hardening
    • High flash point
    • No distortion and cracking of the steel
    • A high and uniform rate of cooling in the initial stage of quenching

    Properties

    Appearance - Dark brown Liquid
    Viscosity, cSt at 40°C -16.0
    Viscosity, SUS at 100°C - 3.75
    Flash Point, COC, ° F - 345
    Gravity, Specific, ASTM D 1298 - .860
    Quench Speed (seconds) 9 - 12
    Weight Per Gallon (lb/gal @ 60°F) - 7.17
     
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  2. Griff

    Griff Active Member

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    Awesome news @Alexander13 . This stuff seems very close to the ProQuench 100 I acquired (funnily enough) from a Heat Treatment facility in Pickering lol. Anyway ProQuench 100 is a 9-13 second oil and has a very broad range. I wasn’t sure exactly what I was dealing with (because the tech sheets were confusing) so I reached out to ABS Mastersmith Kevin Cashen, and he has always been kind enough to send a replay. Below is a copy of the reply he sent me regarding ProQuench 100’s range and since the oil you found seems to also be in that range this information should suit you as well.

    *Hello Matt,

    The numbers given are for the minimum (9) and maximum (13) rate of cooling on the overall curve with the 11 seconds being the overall average. This puts it at the fast end of the medium speed oil category. You should do all right with any of the 10XX series or W1 or W2 in cross sections under 4.76mm. If the spine is thicker than this there could be some fine pearlite formation but the edge should be good.

    Sincerely
    Kevin R. Cashen*

    Also since most quench 01 in Canola oil with some degree of success I believe this oil will work also since varied sources put the speed of Canola in the 11-13 sec range.

    Hope this helps you out in deciding to purchase the oil. I got 10 gallons of ProQuench, so I should be good for a while lol!

    Cheers:beer:

    Griff
     
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  3. Alexander13

    Alexander13 Member

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    Hey Griff
    I am currently using canola and it works great for 1084 and old files and old leaf springs, but this time I was trying to Quench some W2 and 1095. From everything I read, W2 and 1095 need an oil a little faster than what Canola can do. After a lot of searching the web and emailing a few companies I found Big Red Oil in Pickering and this is the Quench oil they carry. I’m far from an expert but is seems like it should work perfectly for what I need.

    Cheers
    Joel
     
  4. Griff

    Griff Active Member

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    @Alexander13 here’s another email correspondence I had with Kevin Cashen, I think I’ve posted this elsewhere, but I’ll put it here again because it’s very comprehensive and covers a lot of popular steels. The question I asked him was where would he place steels in conjunction with oil speed. Hope it helps you as much as it’s helping me.

    *Hello Matt,


    1075, 1080, 1084, 1095, W1, W2, 15n20 = 7-10 second oil

    5160, 52100, O-1, O-2, L6, 80CrV, and other alloy steels = 11-14 second oil

    Sincerely

    Kevin R. Cashen*

    With ProQuench being a 9-13 Sec oil and the oil you found being 9-12 sec, pretty much have all those covered. But testing is/ will be still needed. Best of luck.
     
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    Alexander13 Member

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    Awesome thanks!
     
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    Just an FYI, Joel, I've never had any trouble hardening W2 in canola oil. I dip a hot bar in the oil a few times to warm it up and then go ahead with the quench. I sometimes see people saying that canola oil isn't that great for quenching but I've never had a problem with it.

    Magnus
     

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