Awesome Griff. Thanks. I am stuck with a jig for now but I'm determined, once my Sayber is up and going, to practice freehand. I'll get it. And yeah, mild steel testing is nothing new for me either : ) And Ekim rocks! I love that he's humble about it. He's attained a certain degree of success yet he doesn't hesitate to tell you about his mistakes etc. He's great.